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		<title>Comment on Stein Says What Needed to be Said; Moore&#8217;s Just Fat by pflanag</title>
		<link>http://blog.flfrontier.org/?p=13#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>pflanag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Evolutionary theory has NO - let me repeat - NO answers for how life came to be from simple chemicals."

I beg to differ.  There's a whole field dedicated to the study of the origin of life, and there are many different theories for how life on Earth came to be.  Stein's movie mentioned one which he laughed at: crystals.  The hard part about the origin of life question is that it's very difficult to come up with satisfactory experiments to prove theories.  Life had billions of years to come about, on a planet whose atmospheric conditions we can only make educated guesses about.  Scientists today have a few years in a lab to reproduce a billion years on a planet.

It's certainly a difficult problem, and not one that scientists have a solid answer for, but there are plenty of hypotheses, waiting to be tested by the scientific process of experimentation.

How is intelligent design theory tested by experimentation?

"If evolution was such a ‘perfect’ and ‘complete’ theory, then why would this debate continue?"

Evolution is, primarily, the study of &lt;a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=biogenesis" rel="nofollow"&gt;biogenesis&lt;/a&gt;, or the production of living organisms from living organisms.  The fact that the origin of life question has not yet been satisfactorily answered does not discredit the entire theory of evolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Evolutionary theory has NO - let me repeat - NO answers for how life came to be from simple chemicals.&#8221;</p>
<p>I beg to differ.  There&#8217;s a whole field dedicated to the study of the origin of life, and there are many different theories for how life on Earth came to be.  Stein&#8217;s movie mentioned one which he laughed at: crystals.  The hard part about the origin of life question is that it&#8217;s very difficult to come up with satisfactory experiments to prove theories.  Life had billions of years to come about, on a planet whose atmospheric conditions we can only make educated guesses about.  Scientists today have a few years in a lab to reproduce a billion years on a planet.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s certainly a difficult problem, and not one that scientists have a solid answer for, but there are plenty of hypotheses, waiting to be tested by the scientific process of experimentation.</p>
<p>How is intelligent design theory tested by experimentation?</p>
<p>&#8220;If evolution was such a ‘perfect’ and ‘complete’ theory, then why would this debate continue?&#8221;</p>
<p>Evolution is, primarily, the study of <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=biogenesis" rel="nofollow">biogenesis</a>, or the production of living organisms from living organisms.  The fact that the origin of life question has not yet been satisfactorily answered does not discredit the entire theory of evolution.</p>
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		<title>Comment on So I shouldn&#8217;t hoard money under my mattress? by Frank Colosi</title>
		<link>http://blog.flfrontier.org/?p=14#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Colosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 05:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stein is a friend of the Frontier now?

To add to what Nick mentioned, almost in passing, farmers do see profits rise if they drop what they are doing and turn to corn crops for ethanol. My former roommate, who left last week to return to the soybean farm in Kansas, mentioned that while soybeans are doing great right now in the event of a drop off he would have to turn to corn because of the government grants and subsidiaries he could get from the government. 

What we need to do is pretty simple, to execute the plan is most difficult. Bring industry jobs home, stop dumping money into the pit of alternative energies like wind, solar, and corn ethanol, and of course focus on much more viable sources like hydrogen cells and nuclear power (obviously the later does not apply to vehicles yet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stein is a friend of the Frontier now?</p>
<p>To add to what Nick mentioned, almost in passing, farmers do see profits rise if they drop what they are doing and turn to corn crops for ethanol. My former roommate, who left last week to return to the soybean farm in Kansas, mentioned that while soybeans are doing great right now in the event of a drop off he would have to turn to corn because of the government grants and subsidiaries he could get from the government. </p>
<p>What we need to do is pretty simple, to execute the plan is most difficult. Bring industry jobs home, stop dumping money into the pit of alternative energies like wind, solar, and corn ethanol, and of course focus on much more viable sources like hydrogen cells and nuclear power (obviously the later does not apply to vehicles yet).</p>
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		<title>Comment on So I shouldn&#8217;t hoard money under my mattress? by Nick F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That grapg didn't show up. Sorry I'm not too sharp with blogs. Here's the link: 
http://bp1.blogger.com/_djgssszshgM/SAZI3b8kZjI/AAAAAAAAAVI/ZtN8tu4M87w/s1600-h/inudstrial+production.png</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That grapg didn&#8217;t show up. Sorry I&#8217;m not too sharp with blogs. Here&#8217;s the link:<br />
<a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_djgssszshgM/SAZI3b8kZjI/AAAAAAAAAVI/ZtN8tu4M87w/s1600-h/inudstrial+production.png" rel="nofollow">http://bp1.blogger.com/_djgssszshgM/SAZI3b8kZjI/AAAAAAAAAVI/ZtN8tu4M87w/s1600-h/inudstrial+production.png</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on A Minority Report by cry me a river</title>
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		<dc:creator>cry me a river</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like someone is bitter that their candidate's isolationist policies and defeatest attitude were rejected by the people who make up the GOP.
Come election day you will not need to support only McCain or the Democrat, join with your fellow fanatics and support the 3rd party of your choosing, after all its not like you havn't thrown your vote away before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like someone is bitter that their candidate&#8217;s isolationist policies and defeatest attitude were rejected by the people who make up the GOP.<br />
Come election day you will not need to support only McCain or the Democrat, join with your fellow fanatics and support the 3rd party of your choosing, after all its not like you havn&#8217;t thrown your vote away before.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ben Stein - the Right&#8217;s Michael Moore by youcanhazliberty</title>
		<link>http://blog.flfrontier.org/?p=11#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>youcanhazliberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the whole Nazi/Planned Parenthood references, I will not dispute that Stein had a certain agenda he was trying to advance, but he is not wrong in his fundamental assertion about the problematic conclusions of evolutionary theory if you follow Darwin's arguments to their logical conclusions. Sanger's eugenics agenda and Hitler's obsession with junk race theory are very real and understandably chilling examples of this. Sanger is especially frightening given that her organization operated right here in America, promoting an agenda of mandatory sterilization of Negroes, mental deficients and lower-income adults.

Again, you can certainly dispute the formal necessity of including that stuff in the film; hell, I would. But if you want to consider Stein's central thesis in the documentary as more holistic than a mere defense of ID and rather a critique of the whole inquisitive process behind the origin of man, then certainly the inclusion of these examples is not only valid, but quite useful and persuasive. Then again, I laughed out loud when Stein said the Urey-Miller experiment was a complete failure, along with some other inaccuracies that raised eyebrows. But again, I saw the movie more as an observation of an extremely problematic approach to a scientific question rather than a defense of any one theory at the expense of another. I don't doubt Stein is an ID supporter, but he seemed far more concerned with the intellectual conflict going on rather than the science behind it, as clearly evidenced by his layman's perspective shown in almost all of his interviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the whole Nazi/Planned Parenthood references, I will not dispute that Stein had a certain agenda he was trying to advance, but he is not wrong in his fundamental assertion about the problematic conclusions of evolutionary theory if you follow Darwin&#8217;s arguments to their logical conclusions. Sanger&#8217;s eugenics agenda and Hitler&#8217;s obsession with junk race theory are very real and understandably chilling examples of this. Sanger is especially frightening given that her organization operated right here in America, promoting an agenda of mandatory sterilization of Negroes, mental deficients and lower-income adults.</p>
<p>Again, you can certainly dispute the formal necessity of including that stuff in the film; hell, I would. But if you want to consider Stein&#8217;s central thesis in the documentary as more holistic than a mere defense of ID and rather a critique of the whole inquisitive process behind the origin of man, then certainly the inclusion of these examples is not only valid, but quite useful and persuasive. Then again, I laughed out loud when Stein said the Urey-Miller experiment was a complete failure, along with some other inaccuracies that raised eyebrows. But again, I saw the movie more as an observation of an extremely problematic approach to a scientific question rather than a defense of any one theory at the expense of another. I don&#8217;t doubt Stein is an ID supporter, but he seemed far more concerned with the intellectual conflict going on rather than the science behind it, as clearly evidenced by his layman&#8217;s perspective shown in almost all of his interviews.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Follow up to V.P. possibilities by BJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>BJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Portman actually HURTS McCain in OH - he makes no sense.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/state_toplines/ohio/ohio_general_election_toplines_april_8_2008</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Portman actually HURTS McCain in OH - he makes no sense.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/state_toplines/ohio/ohio_general_election_toplines_april_8_2008" rel="nofollow">http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/state_toplines/ohio/ohio_general_election_toplines_april_8_2008</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Ben Stein - the Right&#8217;s Michael Moore by Frank Colosi</title>
		<link>http://blog.flfrontier.org/?p=11#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Colosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 03:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Nick here, the point of the movie was not to describe ID. Ben Stein is not a scholar of the theory, and I would think that true scholars would be insulted if he attempted to explain their work.
The point of the movie was to describe how people's lives were being ruined for a belief. Much like Republican ideals in some polysci classes these views were seen as attacks and assaults on the norm. 

As for the Eugenics aspect of Planned Parenthood, its true. While not aimed at the disabled it is applied to low income families. They would rather kill the child then let it grow up in a poor environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Nick here, the point of the movie was not to describe ID. Ben Stein is not a scholar of the theory, and I would think that true scholars would be insulted if he attempted to explain their work.<br />
The point of the movie was to describe how people&#8217;s lives were being ruined for a belief. Much like Republican ideals in some polysci classes these views were seen as attacks and assaults on the norm. </p>
<p>As for the Eugenics aspect of Planned Parenthood, its true. While not aimed at the disabled it is applied to low income families. They would rather kill the child then let it grow up in a poor environment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ben Stein - the Right&#8217;s Michael Moore by Nick F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 01:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will agree with you that the movie missed its oppurtunity to sell Intelligent Design, but I don't think Stein should be in the same sentence as Moore. During the Communist footage the voice over is comparing the way the wall keeps out non Marxist ideals is what is happening today in schools. Universities have built a wall around themselves and only Darwinism is allowed. Any thought of ID is like teaching capitalism in East Germany. 

   As for the scene in the Hadamar T-4 center, Stein was reenforcing an underlying problem in our world. Darwinism does not grant people free will or any of virtue of religion. It instills the notion that we are only here becuase of some insanely minute chance that cells lined up and we rode in on the backs of crystals as that one Darwinist claims. 

  Both Nazi Germany and arbortion proponents are guilty of embracing Darwinist pillars of natural selection and killing off those deemed inferior. The entire philosophy rejects respect for human life and human capabilities. That is something we should all find disturbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will agree with you that the movie missed its oppurtunity to sell Intelligent Design, but I don&#8217;t think Stein should be in the same sentence as Moore. During the Communist footage the voice over is comparing the way the wall keeps out non Marxist ideals is what is happening today in schools. Universities have built a wall around themselves and only Darwinism is allowed. Any thought of ID is like teaching capitalism in East Germany. </p>
<p>   As for the scene in the Hadamar T-4 center, Stein was reenforcing an underlying problem in our world. Darwinism does not grant people free will or any of virtue of religion. It instills the notion that we are only here becuase of some insanely minute chance that cells lined up and we rode in on the backs of crystals as that one Darwinist claims. </p>
<p>  Both Nazi Germany and arbortion proponents are guilty of embracing Darwinist pillars of natural selection and killing off those deemed inferior. The entire philosophy rejects respect for human life and human capabilities. That is something we should all find disturbing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the Web! by pflanag</title>
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		<dc:creator>pflanag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you caught it in the middle of construction.  It should all be fixed now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you caught it in the middle of construction.  It should all be fixed now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the Web! by C Flanagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Flanagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 12:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Web site looks good.  Some images are missing when you access via the "archives" tab.</description>
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